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		<title>Comment on The Deity of Jesus Christ by Cappy</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/02/13/the-deity-of-jesus-christ#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Sean and thank you for your thoughts. I have read some of the articles on your site regarding this topic.

Regarding your questions, I would define Jesus Christ as being God for the following reasons.

1) The scriptures declare Him as God: And many of these passages have already been provided in this post. John 17.3 is speaking of “the only true God” in contrast to false gods and idols, as is not intended to be in opposition to Jesus Christ. This position is also held by numerous Bible Commentaries. It is also recorded in 1 John 5:20 that Jesus Christ is the “true God”.

2) The “I am”: In John 8:58-59 it reads;
John 8:58-59
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

The reason the Jews picked up stones to stone him is because they knew he was referring to himself as the God who spoke to Moses in Exodus 3:14.
Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

It is this same “I am” that gave Moses the 10 Commandments and said; 
Exodus 20:2-3
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 

3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

And this is why we can bow down to Jesus Christ and worship him as God without committing idolatry.

3) He created the universe: These verses have also been expounded on and are irrefutable. John Ch.1 is very clear on this. Now then, and unlike some others, I am unwilling to rewrite John 1:1 to say that the Word was “like” God, or the Word was “a god” with a lower case g.

For some reason, the emphatic statements made by John that Jesus Christ created the universe, or “all things’, isn’t a sufficient enough definition of the “true God” for some people, but it works for me.

Sean, I am interested, what is your definition of God?

4) Jesus Christ will be our judge and will determine our eternity: Some to everlasting peace and some to eternal separation. And once again, who, but God, can make that determination? There is no one else.

5) The Father called Jesus God: The writer of Hebrews expounds on this at length and there is no doubt what the intentions of the writer were when quoting the Psalms to support his statements.

In Closing, the Trinitarian teaching has been debated for many years and is difficult for some to accept. However, it is what we believe the scriptures teach and is therefore our conviction. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Sean and thank you for your thoughts. I have read some of the articles on your site regarding this topic.</p>
<p>Regarding your questions, I would define Jesus Christ as being God for the following reasons.</p>
<p>1) The scriptures declare Him as God: And many of these passages have already been provided in this post. John 17.3 is speaking of “the only true God” in contrast to false gods and idols, as is not intended to be in opposition to Jesus Christ. This position is also held by numerous Bible Commentaries. It is also recorded in 1 John 5:20 that Jesus Christ is the “true God”.</p>
<p>2) The “I am”: In John 8:58-59 it reads;<br />
John 8:58-59<br />
58 &#8220;I tell you the truth,&#8221; Jesus answered, &#8220;before Abraham was born, I am!&#8221; 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.</p>
<p>The reason the Jews picked up stones to stone him is because they knew he was referring to himself as the God who spoke to Moses in Exodus 3:14.<br />
Exodus 3:14<br />
14 God said to Moses, &#8220;I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: &#8216;I AM has sent me to you.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>It is this same “I am” that gave Moses the 10 Commandments and said;<br />
Exodus 20:2-3<br />
2 &#8220;I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. </p>
<p>3 &#8220;You shall have no other gods before me.</p>
<p>And this is why we can bow down to Jesus Christ and worship him as God without committing idolatry.</p>
<p>3) He created the universe: These verses have also been expounded on and are irrefutable. John Ch.1 is very clear on this. Now then, and unlike some others, I am unwilling to rewrite John 1:1 to say that the Word was “like” God, or the Word was “a god” with a lower case g.</p>
<p>For some reason, the emphatic statements made by John that Jesus Christ created the universe, or “all things’, isn’t a sufficient enough definition of the “true God” for some people, but it works for me.</p>
<p>Sean, I am interested, what is your definition of God?</p>
<p>4) Jesus Christ will be our judge and will determine our eternity: Some to everlasting peace and some to eternal separation. And once again, who, but God, can make that determination? There is no one else.</p>
<p>5) The Father called Jesus God: The writer of Hebrews expounds on this at length and there is no doubt what the intentions of the writer were when quoting the Psalms to support his statements.</p>
<p>In Closing, the Trinitarian teaching has been debated for many years and is difficult for some to accept. However, it is what we believe the scriptures teach and is therefore our conviction. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Deity of Jesus Christ by sean</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/02/13/the-deity-of-jesus-christ#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Jesus is called God (twice for sure).  But in what sense is Jesus God?  Certainly not in the Trinitarian-three-persons-in-one-essence sense.  This is evident by Jesus statement (John 17.3) that his Father is the only person who belongs to the category "true God."  Thus Jesus must be a God in the sense Moses was God to Pharoah or in the sense that Satan is God of this age.  See Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon on Elohim.

&lt;a href="www.kingdomready.org/topics/god.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;God is 1 not 3&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Jesus is called God (twice for sure).  But in what sense is Jesus God?  Certainly not in the Trinitarian-three-persons-in-one-essence sense.  This is evident by Jesus statement (John 17.3) that his Father is the only person who belongs to the category &#8220;true God.&#8221;  Thus Jesus must be a God in the sense Moses was God to Pharoah or in the sense that Satan is God of this age.  See Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon on Elohim.</p>
<p><a href="www.kingdomready.org/topics/god.php" rel="nofollow">God is 1 not 3</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on About by tramadol</title>
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		<dc:creator>tramadol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good site</p>
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		<title>Comment on My unique story, with a question. by 1john</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/my-unique-story-with-a-question#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>1john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I have already explained to Cappy that I wasn't asking to discuss it, I was just asking what anyones feelings on it were. I am a very proud Catholic, and will always be one.
Sorry if I communicated the question incorrectly.
God Bless, 1 John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have already explained to Cappy that I wasn&#8217;t asking to discuss it, I was just asking what anyones feelings on it were. I am a very proud Catholic, and will always be one.<br />
Sorry if I communicated the question incorrectly.<br />
God Bless, 1 John</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Tithing by Myster E</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/grace-law#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Myster E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jesus said "this cup is the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20). So we have an indication here, that it is his sacrifice on the cross that truly begins the "New Covenant" or "New Testament" era. That is one of the reasons he stated "it is finished" (John 19:30)when he was dying for us.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;My point here is this. When we get passed the Gospels, we read no mention of a mandated tithe. Paul had ample opportunity, in all of his eptistles, to re-instate an observance of that Old Testament law, but he did not, nor did the other writers. On the contrary, we find evidence to support a different approach to the subject. &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;In Acts chapter 5:4, in the money for land scandal, perpetrated by Ananias and Sapphira, read how the money belonged to them, and was at their disposal. You would never hear this from a pulpit today. They would say that 90% is yours. &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Also, the strongest scriptural support for "freewill giving" is a scripture that was cited by Cappy above. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7. It shows us a principle of giving, not a percentage. It shows that if we are stingy, we should not expect to receive financial abundance. It also reveals that giving is now a freewill issue that should not be equated with percentages, but instead determined in ones heart. This giving should be done cheerfully, no doubt worshipfully, so that it is not done "reluctantly" or, very important, not "under compulsion".&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Many times, those of us who practice the New Testament model for giving, and do not cave to the Judaizers of our day, we can feel like second class Christians. The pressure has been so great at times, that you could almost begin to equate tithing with salvation. Don't worry though, they will stop "just short" of saying that. But you know they want to. I have wrestled with this legalism for years, under guilt.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;John Hagee said that there is a wanted poster in heaven with my name and picture on it, with the title "God Robber". Maybe when I make 1.2 million a year, like him, I can tithe. Talk about "compulsion". If, Lord willing, I ever start a church, there will be a box at the back for "non-compulsion giving" and if we can't pay the bills, we close the doors. But I went to a church that had a box at the back, in Mississippi. They had a nice facility, and I beleive they have moved into a new one.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;So do I believe in tithing? If you have determined in your heart that you can give 10 percent, then go ahead. Give 50% if you can. Just don't make it a law for others.
&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Galatians 2:16 says that" by observing the law no one will be justified". Furthermore, Gal 5:3-4 says
4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;So I would be very careful Pastor. I would be very careful denominations, how you teach on giving. This is not light stuff. Paul openly rebuked Peter for his alignment with those that were trying to hold to circumcision and the cross at the same time. Our verse in Gal 2:16 was the result of this incident. I could go on and on about this, but I would like to get to the point. Stop teaching tithe as a New Testament law and obligation! When you do, you are entering a dangerous place. I think I should print up some t-shirts for those of us who hold our view. It would be a great way to make a point. The t-shirts will read like this. "I Tithe, I am Circumcised, and I keep the Sabbath"
&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Myster E &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jesus said &#8220;this cup is the new covenant in my blood&#8221; (Luke 22:20). So we have an indication here, that it is his sacrifice on the cross that truly begins the &#8220;New Covenant&#8221; or &#8220;New Testament&#8221; era. That is one of the reasons he stated &#8220;it is finished&#8221; (John 19:30)when he was dying for us.</strong></p>
<p><strong>My point here is this. When we get passed the Gospels, we read no mention of a mandated tithe. Paul had ample opportunity, in all of his eptistles, to re-instate an observance of that Old Testament law, but he did not, nor did the other writers. On the contrary, we find evidence to support a different approach to the subject. </strong></p>
<p><strong>In Acts chapter 5:4, in the money for land scandal, perpetrated by Ananias and Sapphira, read how the money belonged to them, and was at their disposal. You would never hear this from a pulpit today. They would say that 90% is yours. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Also, the strongest scriptural support for &#8220;freewill giving&#8221; is a scripture that was cited by Cappy above. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7. It shows us a principle of giving, not a percentage. It shows that if we are stingy, we should not expect to receive financial abundance. It also reveals that giving is now a freewill issue that should not be equated with percentages, but instead determined in ones heart. This giving should be done cheerfully, no doubt worshipfully, so that it is not done &#8220;reluctantly&#8221; or, very important, not &#8220;under compulsion&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Many times, those of us who practice the New Testament model for giving, and do not cave to the Judaizers of our day, we can feel like second class Christians. The pressure has been so great at times, that you could almost begin to equate tithing with salvation. Don&#8217;t worry though, they will stop &#8220;just short&#8221; of saying that. But you know they want to. I have wrestled with this legalism for years, under guilt.</strong></p>
<p><strong>John Hagee said that there is a wanted poster in heaven with my name and picture on it, with the title &#8220;God Robber&#8221;. Maybe when I make 1.2 million a year, like him, I can tithe. Talk about &#8220;compulsion&#8221;. If, Lord willing, I ever start a church, there will be a box at the back for &#8220;non-compulsion giving&#8221; and if we can&#8217;t pay the bills, we close the doors. But I went to a church that had a box at the back, in Mississippi. They had a nice facility, and I beleive they have moved into a new one.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So do I believe in tithing? If you have determined in your heart that you can give 10 percent, then go ahead. Give 50% if you can. Just don&#8217;t make it a law for others.<br />
</strong><strong>Galatians 2:16 says that&#8221; by observing the law no one will be justified&#8221;. Furthermore, Gal 5:3-4 says<br />
4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So I would be very careful Pastor. I would be very careful denominations, how you teach on giving. This is not light stuff. Paul openly rebuked Peter for his alignment with those that were trying to hold to circumcision and the cross at the same time. Our verse in Gal 2:16 was the result of this incident. I could go on and on about this, but I would like to get to the point. Stop teaching tithe as a New Testament law and obligation! When you do, you are entering a dangerous place. I think I should print up some t-shirts for those of us who hold our view. It would be a great way to make a point. The t-shirts will read like this. &#8220;I Tithe, I am Circumcised, and I keep the Sabbath&#8221;<br />
</strong><strong>Myster E </strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on My unique story, with a question. by Myster E</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/my-unique-story-with-a-question#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Myster E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cappy's thoughts and questions for you. Would you like to discuss this further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cappy&#8217;s thoughts and questions for you. Would you like to discuss this further?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Death &#038; Dying by 1 John</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/death-dying#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>1 John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that would matter with this person.
He will find out the truth!
Unfortunately it could be to late!
As with all, he will be judged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that would matter with this person.<br />
He will find out the truth!<br />
Unfortunately it could be to late!<br />
As with all, he will be judged.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grace &#038; Law by Seven Star Hand (LW Page)</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/10/what-is-tithing#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Seven Star Hand (LW Page)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings,

It appears you are trying to truly understand the Creator's true nature...

&lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/sevenstarhand/twospirits.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here is Wisdom !!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>It appears you are trying to truly understand the Creator&#8217;s true nature&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/sevenstarhand/twospirits.html" rel="nofollow">Here is Wisdom !!</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Female Pastors by Andrew Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/female-pastors#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right. It's really a massive rebellion against the word of God and therefore against God Himself and will result in a judgement, in my opinion. Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right. It&#8217;s really a massive rebellion against the word of God and therefore against God Himself and will result in a judgement, in my opinion. Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on Death &#038; Dying by Cappy</title>
		<link>http://www.theologyblog.net/2007/01/09/death-dying#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thanks C'los for your thoughts. So, these are your personal feelings? Are you familiar with the biblical references of what happens to us after we leave our bodies? If you like, I can share with you some of those passages.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thanks C&#8217;los for your thoughts. So, these are your personal feelings? Are you familiar with the biblical references of what happens to us after we leave our bodies? If you like, I can share with you some of those passages.</strong></p>
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